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no bull, and the aftermath on 17 June I went down to the White House with Deppie

director they said is there another snow and I said I don't I quickly learned

that wasn't the answer right because they were hoping to hear it so you can

never stop someone who's who's determined again has got all the all the right

badges able to do what has some technical skills you're not going to ever be

100% secure the network we're building assumes we have insiders and we're

going to do everything we can to fair so so if you would ask me as our network

secure I think there's secure as anybody's networks do we potentially have

someone inside our networks who's here to conduct malicious activity of one

type or another chances are we do I'm Benjamin with us and this is the LawFair

podcast special edition part three inside NSA yes Bobby Chesney and I brought a

recording device into the fort need complex so you don't have to do it don't

try this at home but we smuggled out data podcast interviews with five of the

agencies senior management team our third subject was Lonnie Anderson the head

of the NSA's technology director it it's sort of like the IT shop for the

people who break into the IT shops of foreign adversaries we sat down with

him to talk about how Snowden did it and what kind of changes he's

implemented to make sure the next Snowden can't or at least that it isn't easy

we talked about the differences between data and the documents Snowden took

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