Episode #53: Inside NSA, Part II--Wherein We Interview the Agency's Chief of Compliance, John DeLong

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🗓️ 17 December 2013

⏱️ 53 minutes

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In the second episode of our series, "Inside NSA: We Brought In a Recording Device So You Don't Have To," Robert Chesney and Benjamin Wittes talk to John DeLong, the agency's chief of compliance. They discuss the history and development of NSA's compliance program and whether the agency's problem is compliance with the rules--or whether it's the rules themselves.

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0:25.6	no bull and the aftermath.
0:30.1	The day before the story broke that that court order was sent to me and somebody said,
0:36.4	do you know what this is?
0:37.4	I said, absolutely, I know what this is.
0:38.9	This is what the rules are to use an analogy, it's sort of the recipe.
0:43.5	This is what the this is what the cooking is supposed to do, it's supposed to be in accordance
0:47.0	with this.
0:48.0	It comes to think of compliance like the cooking and the recipe, like the rules themselves.
0:52.2	So, you know, you don't like the recipe and all the great cooking isn't going to fix it.
0:57.2	You have to think about both the recipe and the cooking.
1:00.7	You don't want to discount either of them because one of the things you want in a compliance
1:04.9	program is, and this has happened even in my tenure here, is the rules have changed.
1:09.4	My guess is we'll go through a different inflection point over the next years or that's got
1:13.8	to be part of the discussion.
1:15.5	I'm Benjamin Wittis and this is the LawFair podcast.
1:19.8	The first edition, part two, inside NSA.
1:23.2	For those who missed yesterday's episode, Bobby Chesney and I brought an electronic digital
1:28.1	recorder into NSA's main building at Fort Mead.
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