What's up, guys?

So today on the podcast, we have Echo Charles.

So this came about because Echo actually watches the videos.

And so we started chatting from time to time.

And, you know, I listened to the Jocko podcast, which he, you know, produces and puts together.

And so I was like, man, I really want to talk to this guy because I've heard him talk a few times.

And he seems like a fun guy to chat with. and I absolutely like just personally love doing the podcast. It was so much fun. Interesting story and a super humble guy. He's very good at what he does, but super, super, super humble and really fun to talk to. It's definitely some cool lessons to take away just from hearing where he got started and how he got through all this stuff and where he is now it was just it was a good time so um i think you're going to love the podcast i really hope you guys enjoy it and then you know towards the very end of special guest joins us for just a few minutes um but with that said guys like if you've ever listened to the jaco podcast this podcast'll kind of let you know who the guy is that puts it all together and how that all came about and his Jitsu training as well. And guys, as always, if you want to support the podcast, check out the Patreon. Patreon.com slash the Jiu-Jitsu podcast. We put little extras, videos, audios, little things from the, sometimes we have these little pre-conversations, pre-podcast conversations that we put up there so you guys can like listen to that kind of stuff sometimes there's some really cool gyms in that and then we also have a partnership with charles web so i get questions about cbddd all the time if you want to check it out for charlesweb.com the code is chujitsu 10 you can say 10 on your order that said, guys, let's jump into the podcast and let's get to know Echo Charles.

I was talking to the guys this morning.

I was like, I was giving them some different things to play around with them. We were doing a bunch of weird situational roles. and I was trying to say like, look, you know, with some of the guys you're going to like play around and experiment, that's how you figure things that you play just to see if it works.

But you got to have that element of like, let's see if this actually works when we go under like the more stressful environment of like where we're really going after each other. You know, I agree 100%. And like that to me, that's like I'm a huge military history geek. And if you look at like all these different different time periods, like they would come up with

some new weapon system. They had an idea of how they thought it was going to work. And then they would try it and actually a battle and it didn't work exactly like they thought it was and they had to change thing around. And it's the same thing with your techniques. You know, you got to like, you have to adapt them in the feedback loop of rolling. But for me, the biggest problem with that playing around experimenting when I was younger was like I didn't want to lose were you

like that at all experimenting when I was younger

was like, I didn't want to lose. Were you like that at all? When you first started like,

you're like, I can't lose. I got to win. No, I would not like that. You know, obviously I like

where I do have a sports background and stuff, but no, um, I, I like the learning part of it.

And I knew what I was getting into going in where these, you know, I saw hoist gracey. I seen that deal. So when I went in, yeah, I saw all these small, it was still surprising like how they could actually do this to me. When I started, I was about 225 and, you know, big, I was in lifting weights and, you know, all that stuff. And so I wasn't like a small person coming in, you know, about to get bullied. You know, it wasn't that kind of person. I was there to learn as an athlete, learn judicious techniques. And so, of course, all these guys, big, small, whatever, they were just way better than me. I was just starting. And what they could do was more interesting than the fact that they beat me up or the fact that I need to beat them up.

You know, like that pursuit really wasn't that prevalent in my mind.

I would still try.

Of course.

Oh, yeah. I would try. You know, I wanted like try to impress.

Like Dean has been my teacher for, Dean Lister has been my teacher for my first day. And, you know, when I go in there, I see him, he's like 80CC champion and all that. I want to impress them. You know, I want to be the impressive new guy. Like, hey, you're, you got potential. I want to show him that, you know? So, and I think a lot of people are like that. So yeah, that was part of it.

But no, when they tapped me out, I'd be like, you got potential i want to show them that you know so um and i think a lot of people are like that so

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