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Episode 528 - #NotAllMen (w/ Ella Davi & Ryan Grim)

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Bad Faith

Comedy, News, Politics

4.52.8K Ratings

🗓️ 20 November 2025

⏱️ 66 minutes

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Summary

Is having boyfriend embarrassing? Are we living in an era of "heteropessimism"? Are women over marriage? These questions have gone viral in recent weeks as the country continues to grapple with changing gender norms and the effect the right wing radicalization of men has had on women's' attitudes toward marriage and child bearing. This week, a new study showing that, for the first time, female high school seniors were less interested in marriage than male seniors provoked an online debate about whether this was a consequence of growing male conservatism, or alternatively, whether men were facing "bigotry" from women who were making broad and essentialist claims about men. Eighteen year old Zohran volunteer deemed "hot girl for Zohran" by the New York post found herself on one side of the argument, while Drop Site news journalist Ryan Grim found himself on the other. Bad Faith brought them together to hash it out: Whose fault is the male loneliness epidemic, and if the root of the problem is economic, how should the left express sympathy for victims of the root cause without lacking sympathy for the female victims of misogyny?
 

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Produced by Armand Aviram.

Theme by Nick Thorburn (@nickfromislands).

Transcript

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0:00.0

I'm now at a place where I see Democrats talking about men in general and young men in particular,

0:06.0

and I think of them as like Ben Shapiro towards Muslims.

0:10.0

Every sitcom has a man rolling his eyes at his wife because she asks him to take on some childcare responsibility or clean the house or something.

0:17.0

And now you're mad that women don't want to continue to be victims and are asserting themselves.

0:21.5

You are essentially implying that high school boys are a protected class. And I cannot,

0:26.6

under any regard, see them in that way. It's a man's world. No grace. You guys are still running

0:31.2

every single thing. You get no grace. And they're all miserable. Brian. Oh, please. You guys are

0:37.3

at the hands of your own destruction.

0:39.3

The speech that you just gave could have been delivered by an anti-criminal justice reformed person, verbatim.

0:46.3

Oh, it couldn't, right.

0:47.3

Girls are not inflicting sexual violence onto young men in same rape.

0:51.3

But therefore we shouldn't address it.

0:53.3

Don't we think of the reactionary feeling?

0:56.0

Yes.

0:57.0

Get the content off the platform.

0:59.0

Right, that's not going to happen.

1:00.0

A lot of my peers do mock the idea of male loneliness.

1:05.0

I know they do.

1:06.0

I absolutely know they do.

1:07.0

We hear it all the time.

1:08.0

Men are socialized from birth to hate women.

1:11.7

It's true, Ryan.

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