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Running was my original love, but kind of tossed me under the bus after about 40 years of racing and doing different foolish things. So I developed some kind of cartilage problems in a knee. But I had a good, I had a good, a good bunch of decades there of having running at

the center of my universe.

What kind of cartilage problems?

Medial meniscus, both knees deterioration, can't, can't sort of put it, can't put

Humpty Dumpty back together again.

It's kind of a, man, I'm 60 years old.

And I started running competitively in my late teams.

And I was part of the excessive 80s, you know, where everybody ran triple digits.

You go to any little town in America, and people be cranking out 100-plus mile weeks.

And, yeah, it was great.

Well, it lasted.

That was a tough time to be a runner.

Yeah.

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