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You are not alone. You have found other people.

You and I have a friend in common.

Every stupid thing that a writer could do I've done.

I think it's really beautiful.

Gee, they didn't want to struggle, you know? It was incredible. You know, it was like your head exploded, seeing what was really there. And now here's your host, Brad Listy. Just one person and just one time. Everybody, how's it going? I'm Brad Listy. This is the Other People show. Welcome to The Other People podcast. I'm in Los Angeles. I have Fiona Helmsley on my program today.

Fiona Helmsley has a new collection of essays out from an independent press called We Heard You Like Books.

That collection of essays is entitled Girls Gone Old.

Fiona Helmsley and I in just a moment.

I can hear an airplane flying overhead.

I've seen a couple skywriters in the last, you know, month or so.

That sort of thing happens in Los Angeles.

It feels like it happens more often in the summer.

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