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Let's begin.

You are not alone.

You have found other people.

You and I have a friend in common.

Every stupid thing that a writer could do I've done.

I think it's really beautiful.

Jesus, what I struggle, you know?

Quite a little.

It's like your head exploded, seeing what was really there.

And now here's your host, Brad Listy.

Just one person at just one time. So, hey, everybody, how's it going? I'm Brad Listy. This is the Other People podcast. I'm here in Los Angeles, California. It's nice to be with you. Thank you for listening. My guest today is C.L. Jew. She has a new book out. It is a novel in stories called Cake Time. It is available from Red Hen Press.

I'm going to be, you're going to hear that conversation in just a second. Before I get there,

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