Episode #44: Matt Apuzzo on Najibullah Zazi and NSA Surveillance Programs

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🗓️ 11 October 2013

⏱️ 86 minutes

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Summary

Bruce Riedel, Director of the Intelligence Project at Brookings, hosted Matt Apuzzo of the AP for a discussion of his new book with Adam Goldman, entitled “Enemies Within: Inside the NYPD’s Secret Spying Unit and bin Laden’s Final Plot Against America.” The book is about the 2009 plot to attack the New York City subway system, led by Afghan-American Najibullah Zazi. During this conversation, Bruce and Matt discussed the plot, the current state of Al Qaeda, and whether the NSA’s surveillance programs directly led to thwarting this terrorist attack.

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0:29.6	Hello and welcome to the LawFair podcast, I'm Ritika Singh. In this episode Bruce
0:57.0	Rydell, director of the intelligence project at Brookings, hosted Matt Napuzzo, a reporter
1:02.0	at the Associated Press for a discussion of his new book. Matt and his colleague Adam
1:07.2	Goldman reported extensively on the NYPD's Secret Surveillance of American Muslims and
1:12.5	won a Pulitzer Prize for investigative reporting last year. The pair recently published a new
1:18.0	book entitled Enemies Within. Inside the NYPD's Secret Spying Unit and Bin Laden's final
1:23.7	plot against America. The book is about the 2009 plot to attack the New York City subway
1:29.3	system led by Afghan American Najibullah Zazi. During this conversation, Matt provided
1:35.7	details of the plot and discussed the recent claims by NSA and government officials that
1:40.2	the NSA surveillance programs directly led to thwarting this terrorist attack.
1:46.2	Welcome to the Brookings Institution. Good morning on our rainy Washington day. Those
1:53.8	of you who are furloughed government employees, we are very glad to give you something to do.
2:01.0	This is the fourth in a series of talks and discussions sponsored by the Brookings Intelligence
2:08.6	Project. The Brookings Intelligence Project likes to focus on intelligence successes and
2:17.0	try to explain why intelligence can be successful. And I'm glad to say today that we are looking
2:23.9	at one of the most important. You can't hear me?
2:27.7	No. Yes. How about that?
2:29.9	There's a seat open in the front. I promise not to call on you.
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