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Hello and welcome to the LawFair podcast, I'm Benjamin Wittes. This week I participated

in an event sponsored by the George Washington University chapter of the Federalist Society

on NSA surveillance programs, Edward Snowden, Congress, and the FISA court. The event was

styled as a debate between me and LawFair's Steve Vladik, moderated by GW's esteemed

Fourth Amendment scholar, Orrin Kerr. But it turned out to be not so much of a debate

as a discussion, which Orrin not only moderated but contributed insights of his own too as

well, it was actually one of the best discussions of this subject I have been involved in, both

in terms of isolating the areas genuinely under dispute and in terms of constructive engagement

over them. It is long for the LawFair podcast running nearly an hour and 20 minutes, but

many listeners will find it worthwhile.

Thank you all for coming, whether it's for the food or food or food in the subject,

either way. So I'm really delighted to be able to host this discussion between Benjamin

Wittes, Steve Vladik and myself. This is an idea that I put together the idea for this

account, because I wanted to hear from Benjamin Wittes, Steve Vladik, about their views of

the NSA surveillance stories and the legal implications and the policy implications. So I'm really

excited, let me just briefly introduce them. Benjamin Wittes is to my right to your left,

as a senior fellow of the Brookings Institution. He's also the Editor-in-Chief of the LawFair

Law, which is really a fantastic law on national security law. Very recently, Glenn Green

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