She's got her little speed pipe out and I tell her to just sit the fuck down and shut up

But I push Ivan up against the wall and I'm like going look this shit has gotten crazy

Okay, James is dead people are dying what the fuck is going on man

When I think it was a court trial I have one shot more an opportunity to be not guilty or I go to prison in death row

mm-hmm, that's the reality of it

We have busted alibis we have caught people in line

This is just insane because everybody's pointing the finger at somebody else

You just don't hear every day walking in somebody's house or then take the plastic out and pop somebody

So he could get the execution date pretty much any day

Yeah

There's no impediments

This is cousins by blood

Episode four under the couch cushion

After Ivan's arrest Amy Betcher went back to Arkansas and told her mom and stepdad

That Ivan was the one that killed James and James fiance

And that he took her back over to the house afterwards and she saw the dead bodies

As you heard last episode from Amy stepdad Mr. Kramer

While he did notice some peculiar behavior from Ivan and Amy during their visit

He said that Ivan was calm and cool as a cucumber given the circumstances

Leading him to believe that it would be impossible to be that calm unless Ivan had killed before

This was not his first rodeo so to speak

But what Kramer was not taking into consideration was

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