I can't imagine somebody killing somebody and being that calm and pool, you know what I mean?

And be his first time.

But what does that tell you?

I don't think it was his first rodeo deal.

When I think it was a court trial, I have one shot more on opportunity to be not guilty.

Or I go to prison in death row.

That's that's reality of it.

We infust in alibis, we have caught people in lies.

This is just insane because everybody's pointing the finger at somebody else.

You just don't hear every day walking in somebody's house or going to take the plastic out and pop somebody.

So he could get the execution date pretty much any day?

Yeah.

There's no impediment.

This is Cousins by Blood.

Episode three, not his first rodeo.

So now that you've heard Ivan's story, an Amy's story, this episode you're gonna hear from Amy's stepdad.

But first, let's talk macro about this case.

Both Ivan and Amy said that Ivan went over to James and Amy Kitchen's house at about 11.30pm on Friday night.

But Ivan said he went over to warn James about the pizza man.

And when he left, they were still alive.

He said that he saw Amy Kitchen still alive at 6.30am when they returned the Corvette.

Now Amy Betcher said that when Ivan went over at 11.30pm, he went over to kill them.

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