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I'm Elamene Abdu Mahmoud, and this week on the show, we are bringing together the group chat to talk about the big winners, the surprises that no one saw coming, and the snubs that people are upset about.

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Just a heads up that this episode contains discussions about child sexual abuse.

Please take care while listening.

I was really interested in what might generically be referred to as deviant behavior.

I was really interested in whether the worst part of that was something that was born or nurtured.

You met Mary DeYoung back in episode one.

I'm an emerita professor of sociology from Grand Valley State University in Allendale, Michigan.

Now we're talking with her about the early 80s.

Three's Company is ending,

girls are flash dancing across America,

and Ronald Reagan is campaigning for a second term.

At the time, Mary is an up-and-coming researcher.

I did a lot of clinical work and a lot of research on the sexual abuse of children.

The issue was about to become somewhat ubiquitous.

We were allegedly dealing with the form of sexual abuse that we had not heard of before.

One day, Mary received an intriguing phone call.

I was at the university, and this person called the office.

Hello.

The person who called me was an investigator from the prosecutor's office, asking if I would be willing to testify that the children were telling the truth and that the interviews were done

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