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Welcome to the bonus episode. I'm Sarah Marshall, this is the devil you know, and this week we're going to the

witch capital of Canada with Sean Horler.

Sean is a filmmaker and writer based in Vancouver, BC, and he directed and produced,

along with Steve Adams, the

2023 documentary, Satan Wants You.

In this episode, we talk about what it was like for Sean to grow up in the shadow of

the satanic panic in the form of its originating narrative, the story of Michelle remembers,

and living in a city that learns to see itself anew through a bestseller

about witches and satanic sacrifice in its midst. I also love talking to Sean about some of the

stories he uncovered while working on his documentary, Satan Wants You, and the things that get

left on the cutting room floor when we go looking for the real stories behind history.

Thank you so much for getting on with us and sharing your scary memories.

It's, oh, so good to see you again, Sarah.

It's really, yeah, and it's such a delight.

So tell me, what are we doing here today?

Well, we're using your perspective to get into, I think, some of the questions that I think

the listener would have about, like,

okay, like, say you're just like a bystander, like a kid when all this is going on.

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