Alright, well welcome to another fair game podcast. Hello Mike. Hi Lee. How are you?

I'm good. We have another amazing and special guest. Yes we do. Mike. Someone who I have

recently been on his podcast, so this is this is turn about now. Hi John A. Tech. It's

wonderful to have you on with us today. Yeah it's it's fabulous to be here and I can get

you back for being on my podcast. Was that the deal? You do my podcast, I'll do your

podcast. What I want to do on a podcast if you don't do my podcast. That's how it works

in this world. And John, what is the podcast? What's the name of it? John A. Tech, family

and friends on YouTube and various podcast channels. Okay and what is it about? Well it started

out being about psychological manipulation mainly and how to avoid it and then it sort

of wandered off into talking about Scientology quite a lot. Well how can you not? How can

you not? Because it's such an incredible subject. And it's about novels I've written and

paintings I've made and music I'm involved in with my kids. It's it's a family channel.

Oh great. Family friend. Oh love it. Good. I hope people you get some listeners from

this. Yeah. So yeah. So John, thank you for being with us. Why don't you tell us your

Scientology story? How you got involved? How long you were in Scientology? I was 19

years old. I came home from a tour in the south of France where I was playing drums and

found that my girlfriend had disappeared and it turned out that she was running off to

New Zealand with one of our friends as people do. And I got very upset and being abandoned.

And somebody a friend of mine had taken a copy of Hubbard's Science of Survival out of

the library because he was a big fan of the incredible string band and then he found he

couldn't read this book and I ended up reading it and I walked in from there. As involved

for nine years, always as what he's called public, never on staff. So I wasn't humiliated

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