Hello and welcome to another episode of Scientology Fair Game. Hello Mike. Hello Lee, how are you today?

I'm okay. I should warn you. It is that time. And I think that you should put it on your calendar as well.

Everybody listening. Okay. Just in case I get ugly for no reason. Well in my mind justified.

Completely. All right. Well, that might have been too much information, but I do think it's a I do think it's a worthwhile disclaimer.

Yeah. Okay. Well, for my own protection, I will not argue with you. Great. Well, you don't need to argue with me.

You just need to be breathing and that we find that annoying at this time. All right. Of the month. Anyway, we have a very special guest with us today.

We do indeed. And I. Green. Hello. High for. Hey, how are you? Hey, hey, should we call you mayor or councilman? Like.

A title that carries over. You can reference it, but it's too much verbiage. Singles it single syllable name is fine.

All right. Ford. Well, welcome, Ford. You know, I've known you for a long time. I used to be on the other side of the equation from you when you were a lawyer representing various people against Scientology.

Most notably Lawrence Wallachim and Jerry Armstrong. And I think I met you first when you were representing Jerry.

Either in San Francisco at somebody at some lawyers office or up there in Marin County, you know, where you live. But.

And your job, Mike, was to destroy Ford and the people that he was representing at the time against the church of Scientology.

I'm glad you always remind me of that. Hey, I don't want people to think I don't exactly for I don't want people to think that I'm soft on your past, Mike, as well myself.

But I certainly wasn't going after people in the way that you were. But I understand, Mike, that was your job as a C or remember. And also I had my job as a Scientologist.

Mike, it might have been it might have been in 1993 during one of those interminable deposition sessions of Jerry Armstrong on the day that the IRS issued its decision, granting religious status to Scientology.

It might have been in that. I think it was in that area of era that we probably first met.

Yeah, that maybe that doesn't ring a bell for me for but regardless. I mean, you guys have all looked the same ganged up there on the other side of the table.

Well, I must say you always look different. You didn't look like any other attorney that represented anybody against Scientology. I remember you with your feet up on the on the conference room desk in with your shoes off.

Some lawyers office in San Francisco. What was the name of that guy? That was probably Andy Wilson. Yes, Andy Wilson's office. That's exactly right. And and Ford, you always you always had a.

And aura about you or an attitude about you that was very, you know what, I don't give a fuck. And Mike, was that different? Can I ask you question? Mike, was that different from the other lawyers that were dealing with you in Scientology at the time?

Yes, well, it was certainly different from the lawyers on outside. I mean, we had the most buttoned up proper prim and white shoe law firms that you can possibly imagine, you know, typically lawyers, even those representing plaintiffs who were suing Scientology tend to be very proper about how they go about doing things.

And it's all like a lot of formalities and hide there and you know shaking hands and all that like this kind of there is a collegial atmosphere amongst lawyers, no matter which side of the equation they're on.

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