Well, hello everyone. Welcome to another episode of Scientology Fair Game. Hi, Mikey.

Hi, Lili.

Today, we have another wonderful guest, Phil Jones.

And hi, Phil.

I, Lili, have this is great. I have to see you up me on.

Hi, Mike. It's absolutely our pleasure and so glad to talk to you. So yeah, you know, Phil, we really wanted to be able to tell your story in the aftermath, but for various technical reasons we could not do so.

I realize that you probably would have needed another five years to cover a river in that show anyway.

That's the thing. It's like we, we wanted to tell every story, every story we found important and worth telling. We just didn't have enough time to do it. And like I said, we weren't the, the final say of every decision that was made on the aftermath.

So, and you know, I'm sure that it's going to come up in the course of this discussion, but we are very well aware that you were involved with another production about Scientology at that time that was even being done by A&E.

And that never had called the disconnected. Yeah, right.

And, and that was something that Leah and I fought about for a long time to try to get that show to air.

We were accused of trying to stop it. We were the exact opposite.

We tried to get involved and you know, talking to Jamie DeWolf. We tried to get the show to air between season one and season two of the aftermath.

And then we tried to host it. We wanted to host showing the show and talking and having all of you there in studio talking about the show.

But we, it wasn't done by the production company that did our shows. Then we tried to call that production company to see if they could work with the production company that we were working with and partner up with us so that we can get that show seen.

But we were obviously unsuccessful.

Yeah, I mean, my understanding was from what I was told shows get shot and then shelved and you know, for whatever reason, network can do that. So I mean, they own the show.

Yes. And that was the other thing. We tried to get back the show to help the other production company try to help them to get the show back from A&E so that maybe we could all go and.

Maybe one day they'll leak the show. Yeah, no, it's something that you know, we thought would would be important for the viewers to see especially when we season one was so based in disconnection to see.

You guys actually making attempts, you know, because how many times have you been asked this Phil, you and your wife will you know, why don't you just go and knock on the door of the church of Scientology to try to see your son or daughter and you know, you actually saw it.

Being done and it's not these moments that you think everybody that you know, first of all, this is private property. You can't just walk up to a church of Scientology and Mike certainly there's footage of you trying to see your son Ben.

Yeah, who you were told had cancer and thankfully he is okay today.

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