I'm Martin yelling, he's Tom Williams, and this of Marathon Talk on this week's show we've got our normal

news catch-up from the world of running and there's two new world records Liz

gives us her first update on the Chicago Marathon Build-Up.

Tom starts a knitting circle.

Training talk is all about running clubs.

We speak to USA Running Guru from Boulder, Colorado, Rich Castro, we rant, we rave, we winner of the week.

Tom, what have you been up to?

Well, I'm finally getting back into some decent training. I broke 20 hours training last week for the

for the first time since I'm man Lanserotti. I've taken it a lot slower I did last

year because I was really tired and it took me a while to get recovered. I've

had a really good training week last week. I'm racing an awful lot at

the minute trying to use that to help motivate my training and bring a bit of intensity in.

In the build up to Landra, I did a lot of long stuff, not a huge amount of intensity and so I'm trying to build on that

base with some real intense work. I had a quafflon on my over try club is at a quafflon

on Saturday morning which was which was good. A quafflon? Is that how you say it not aqua-thon?

Well I always thought aqua-thon and I have to say I'm in the aqua-thon camp

but they call it the aqua-flon.

Yeah, I don't know.

What are the world, there's a world of qua-thlon champs or aqua-thon champs, I don't know. What are the world? There's a world of Quathlon champs or Aquathon Champs. I don't know. I think it's a quathlon. Anyway, by the by. And a lot of people are away because it was Cleveland Steelman, a half-fireman race that day. So had a little look around.

I kind of fancied my chance of getting out the water near the front. It was about a

1500 meter swim, open water and then a run and I wasn't doing the run because I was racing later.

So I saw't doing the run because I was racing later. So I saw the guy my mate Tim who I thought would probably be first out the water and

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