Adam, well, welcome to the podcast. Beth and I have been looking forward to talking to you about

this work that you've been in for the past several years and are thrilled, thrilled that we

have you on the podcast to talk about such an important book. So welcome. Thank you. It's a delight

to be here to see you both. Thank you.

And so we talked a little bit just before the show, but this is not something that you just

wrote overnight. This is something that you've actually been painstakingly writing over the

past number of years. What is it, what's it like for you to take personal work,

professional work, and then try to put something together that you, I know that you carry a

tremendous burden and passion for the sake of others to find healing. But to put that all into

a book, that seems like a lot of

pressure. But I mean, it's a worthy venture because it's been so helpful even to us already. So what was

that process like for you? Well, at some level, it was a book that I wanted to have as a 30-year-old

when I needed this content. So I in many ways I was writing to my

younger self, writing to 32 year old Adam, 35 year old Adam. 35 was is when I began to be introduced

to the idea that I had a story and that the symptoms in my life, anxiety, depression, difficulty with relationships, marriage difficulties, difficulties with God, that all of these symptoms, difficulties being alone just with Adam, that these symptoms may be rooted in my story. And by story, I really

mean stories, plural, because all of us have so many stories of things that we experienced

between the ages of zero and 18 when we were with our primary caretakers

that have significantly affected the way we see the world, the way we experience the world,

particularly the way we relate to the people who are closest to us. So it was writing it was

a labor of love to my younger self and to

all the people that want like a concise, clear explanation of what we mean when we invite people

into story work. Yeah. Now, you use a word there that I want to help clarify

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