Just a quick note before we jump into today's episode that we recorded this episode at the end of March

before the Sunday schedule changes were announced and before General Conference.

Like if we're going to move into mainstream Christianity, I feel like a fellow Christian would need to be able to walk into any sacrament meeting and recognize Jesus

Christ as the centerpiece of that worship service.

But instead, I feel like they are at least as likely, if not more likely, to get temples

or something like tithing or Word of Wisdom.

Or I mean like sometimes of your pioneer stories,

right, or the importance of sustaining our leaders. Like the talks could be about as anything

that gets assigned that week, but it's not, I'm not even sure that it's most likely to be

about Jesus Christ.

Hello, I'm Cynthia Winward.

And I'm Susan Hinkley.

And this is at last she said it.

We are women of faith discussing ragy things.

It's complicated, Cynthia.

Complicated, ragey things.

And the title of today's episode is Cynthia and Susan's rage cast popery.

Yep.

That's the title, all right.

Okay, to be fair, there were other possible subtitles in the running.

Some of those, including but not limited to,

it's not gaslighting if God does it. That's yours, Susan. Also, that's how sacred women are.

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