And about that, Barbara Brown Taylor, she said, it has been 2,000 years and the poor are still

with us. Those who hunger for justice are still hungry. The mournful are still blowing their noses,

and the excluded are still waiting at the border. The beatitudes may work for people who can wait until they

die for their reward, but meanwhile, there are other people who have lost faith in Jesus' promises.

They aren't feeling the joy. They need heaven now.

Hello, I'm Susan Hinkley. And I am Cynthia Winward.

And this is at last she said it.

We are Women of Faith discussing complicated things.

And the title of today's episode is Big Ideas, The Beattitudes.

Hello, Cynthia.

Hello, Susan.

Are you ready to have a big, big idea and maybe a big, big convo about it?

I mean, I have to be honest. Like, I am, okay, I love this conversation and it's because I'm hanging

on by my fingernails in this one. This is, this just feels to me like slightly, like just enough slightly above my head that

I have to run to keep up with this big idea. And I love being in that situation. Yeah. So I'm,

I'm excited to have it. We have tons of stuff. Should we just dive in? Let's just dive in.

So I've been wanting to have this episode for a year. I feel like

I've mentioned it to you here and there, probably ever since I read Richard Groer's book,

Jesus Alternative Plan, The Sermon on the Mount. And he just had so many good ideas that I was like,

let's do this episode. But, you know, because we have so many other ideas,

not every episode gets to happen when we actually think about it. So I've had an extra long time

to think about this. And after I read Richard Rour's book, I couldn't help but remember that

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