I have played this game, Cynthia, I've played this game my whole life, so I get it.

As a mother, I spent so many years trying to build that bridge that you and I have talked about, right?

To spin things in a way that might make it feel sustainable for my daughters.

I didn't succeed, by the way, right? But I was

devoted to the exercise for all the years that they were coming up through young women's. I

wanted them to stay in the church, but not only that, I genuinely wanted their experience to be

okay, to be good for them in some way. I wanted to believe that the goal was not always going to

be maintained the status quo. So I threw the crumbs. I did.

Hi, I'm Cynthia Winward. And I'm Susan Hinkley. And this is at last she said it. We are women

of faith discussing complicated things. And the title of today's episode is What Women Don't Get Part 2.

Here we go, Cynthia.

Here we go.

Part one was, I don't even know how many years ago, but...

A long time ago, I think.

This should get our listeners excited this title because I think that the

essay that you wrote of the same name, which is in our book, is, you know, one of the most

talked about things, I guess, is the way to say it that's ever come out of it last she said

it. So, high time, we revisited this topic, in my opinion. So why are we revisiting it?

Well, as part of our season talking about change, it made sense that we revisit a few old

topics that we've talked about before, just to see whether or not we sort of perceive

any kind of movement around them.

Is there any?

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