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as we debug the common myths and fallacies of cults, frauds, scams, and multi-level marketing. Oh, Oh, the the Hey, Humbots and Hunbroughs. I hope you enjoyed part one of our conversation with Mark and Clear Headley. And without further ado, here's part two. I was posting on there every day and I was telling all these stories that were happening at the international base and so it became a thing

where oh there's a going to be a new posting this week everyone's waiting to see what this

posting is going to be and then I started posting on another message board called the ex-scientologist

message board. And that was another forum that was very similar, just a newer version of the same thing,

and a lot of the same people would post on it, and it's the same thing and a lot of the same people would post on it and it's the same thing.

You got the shit stirs in there, you got the people that work there, you got the people that don't

know anything and they just, they're telling you all their opinions because they know better

than anybody and

because they weren't in Scientology so obviously they know better and so you know all those kind of people were in there.

So not everything's changed.

Yeah.

You sure you're not talking about anti-MLM?

I'm telling you, these things have been going on for decades.

But the best part is that Scientology spy wing is called the Office of Special Affairs. A lot of the members of these

message boards were Office of Special Affairs accounts and people that they had

paid or this Scientologists that were volunteering to shut down the internet all the Scientology and nonsense on the internet

So you have people like Tori Chrisman who used to be one of those people and then she became a main contributor to these message boards.

And so a lot of these people were OSHA turned whistleblower that were in there.

So they knew the game as well. Everybody in the game knew the way the game was being played and so when you saw somebody shit stirring, you were like, okay, that's OSHA. It was a very kind of clear, we all kind of played our parts

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