Hey, I'm Robert Blovins, and this is Life After Emile, a podcast where we worked and the stigma

of failure in an industry systemically designed for you to fail.

Join us as we dive into the real life stories of survivors, experts, and advocates,

as we debug the common myths and fallacies of cults, frauds, scams, and multi-level marketing. Oh, Oh, the the Hey, Humbots and Hunbroughs. We have an incredible episode today. In fact, this chat was so long I had to cut the episode in half.

So you're going to hear the first half today and the second half will be out on

Wednesday. If you are the kind of person that cannot wait and needs to hear the whole

episode, it is available on Patreon. There is a free trial and there's also a three dollar tier so if you are interested in listening to it

Patreon is always an option and speaking of Patreon I want to say hello and welcome our new

members Emily Garten and Laura Harding Lemon.

Thank you so much for joining and welcome to the club.

So some content warnings before we get into this big two-part episode. It is a Scientology episode. We're talking to

Mark and Claire Hedley who have been out of Scientology and speaking out publicly for almost 20 years.

So there is quite a bit of cult trauma and just the normal things that we hear

and we talk about Scientology. And so I just want to give you sort of a blanket.

We're going to talk about Scientology warning

and all of the things that come with it in both of these episodes.

But it is a really funny episode, you know how we do.

I think you will all really, really enjoy

enjoy it a lot. I think the coolest thing about this episode is that we have a

co-host. Michelle is the reason that I have so many Scientology episodes and has been my connection to that community.

Michelle was instrumental in setting this interview up and so I asked her if she would like to join us because she knows more about the ins and outs of

Mark and Claire story than I do. And why not? Having a co-host is kind of fun and it was really fun to have this conversation and have Michelle there with me.

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