Hi, this is Jonathan Lehman.

And this is certainly not Mark Devere.

I'm Josh Manley, pastor of Rack Evangelical Church in the United Arab Emirates.

That's right.

And I asked Josh to join me as a co-host of this conversation that I'm going to have,

we're going to have, with a couple of brothers that you've known for a little while.

How long have you known these two brothers we're about to introduce?

We've known each other for eight years.

Something.

Seven, eight years now.

Yes.

Yeah.

And as I said, this is an episode, or maybe I didn't say, this is an episode of Nine Marks

Pastors Talk, where we as pastors talk about pastoral things, and you can learn more about nine marks at nine marks.org.

And with us, as I say, with Josh and me, who is an old friend as well, are Ramazahn and

Rachman, two brother pastors from Afghanistan, who have been through some interesting things of late,

as you may guess, and we've asked them

to join us and tell us a little bit of their story. Brothers, thank you so much for being here.

And you are both pastors, or have been pastors of house churches in Afghanistan before Taliban

came back and took over in August of 2021.

Tell us about those churches and what they are or what they were like, Ramadan.

For sure, it was not like American church.

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