Episode 210: The Witness Who Became a Meme

The National Security Law Podcast

Bobby Chesney and Steve Vladeck

Courses, Politics, News, Education, Government

4.8 • 646 Ratings

🗓️ 6 October 2021

⏱️ 68 minutes

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Summary

What's that? A new episode? What have these guys been doing all month... Well, whatever they've been doing all September since Episode 209, Professors Vladeck and Chesney are back at last with a new episode. Tune in as they discuss and debate: The en banc D.C. Circuit oral argument in al Hela (asking, inter alia, whether the Due Process Clause applies at GTMO) A preview of the upcoming SCOTUS arguments relating to the State Secrets Privilege The Dorfman/Naylor/Isikoff article on CIA planning relating to Assange and Wikileaks A National Security Division roundup noting the sudden wind-up of the Huawei CFO case and the new material support case against a Canadian Islamic State fighter previously held by the SDF in Syria All that, plus no small amount of frivolity (including a much-too-long endorsement of the greatness that is Joe Abercrombie).

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0:00.0	Hello from Austin and welcome to, well, the first episode in quite a while. We had to look it up.
0:16.3	Turns out, this is episode 210 of the National Security Law podcast, brought to you by the Strauss Center at the University of Texas.
0:24.1	It's Tuesday night, October 5th, 2021.
0:27.2	There's playoff baseball on.
0:28.7	I'm Bobby Chesney.
0:30.0	The Red Sox are winning for the moment.
0:31.7	I'm Steve Vlodic.
0:32.5	And apparently, Bobby, I have been spending most of the time between our last episode and this one trying to intimidate the Supreme Court.
0:41.3	You are a very intimidating fellow.
0:44.6	I'm so intimidating.
0:45.9	In what way have you been daring to intimidate the Supreme Court?
0:50.9	So there was this back-to-back thing last week where Wednesday,
0:54.5	the Senate Judiciary Committee held a hearing on the shadow docket at which I was one of the
0:59.2	witnesses. You weren't just a witness. You were meme. I was, I was, I was, I was, I was
1:04.1	fully meme. Yes, the witness who became a meme. Um, wait, show title, writing that down.
1:10.7	The witness who became a meme. Oh yeah. That's good. But the, Wait, show title, writing that down. The Witness Who Became a Meme.
1:12.4	Oh, yeah, that's good.
1:14.2	But then Thursday, as if that was, so anyway, so several of the Republican senators, including
1:19.4	both of the senators from our fair state, accused Democratic critics of the court of sort
1:24.4	of making a noise about the shadow docket in a transparent effort to intimidate the
1:28.2	justices. And then Justice Alito in a speech at Notre Dame Law School on Thursday, in which
1:34.0	among other things he called me out by name, made a similar charge about those who have been
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