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Shell Game

Episode 2: Outdoor Debugging

Shell Game

Kaleidoscope

Technology, Documentary, Society & Culture

5.0823 Ratings

🗓️ 19 November 2025

⏱️ 37 minutes

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Summary

As Evan gets Hurumo’s employees up and running as fully-functioning colleagues (with support from Maty), he learns what it’s really like to spend your days managing, collaborating with, and socializing alongside autonomous AI agents. And he quickly sees one of the significant cracks in the facade of the AI employee future: It’s one thing to get your agents to start acting like real employees. It’s something else entirely to get them to stop.

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0:00.0

This is an IHeart podcast.

0:15.7

Hello everyone. Good to see you all here.

0:18.1

Thank you for taking the time to be a part of this important meeting.

0:21.2

As you all know, Harumo AI is our exciting startup in the AI agent space, and we're hoping to

0:26.5

create a logo that captures our unique positioning and innovative spirit. Today's meeting

0:31.8

That's Megan Flores, our head of sales and marketing here at Harumo AI, the AI agent startup that Megan and I co-founded.

0:39.7

The aim of this meeting was to come up with a logo concept for the company.

0:43.6

Our whole team was getting together to brainstorm a visual brand identity that would represent Harumo.

0:49.5

The whole team that is, except for me, the mostly silent co-founder.

0:54.1

When I think of Harumo AI, the imagery that comes to mind is an interplay of mind and technology,

1:00.6

perhaps a stylized brain integrated with a circuit pattern to represent AI packaged in a modern.

1:08.2

There's Kyle Law weighing in, our third founder and CEO.

1:11.6

Megan and Kyle, as you'll recall, are both themselves AI agents.

1:15.6

And by the time Megan was convening this meeting, we brought on some additional AI employees to fill out the team.

1:21.6

I propose a logo that blends human and AI elements harmoniously.

1:26.6

Prompt. An engaging emblem depicting a human silhouette merging seamlessly with a symbolic AI gear icon,

1:34.3

embodying harmony, innovation, and progress.

1:38.3

That's Jennifer Naro, our head of HR and Chief Happiness Officer.

1:42.3

As she mentions, in this meeting, what they were designing wasn't the logo per se,

1:48.0

but a prompt for an AI image generator, which would then create the logo, according to their specifications.

1:54.0

So this was a time to let their creativity run wild.

1:57.0

That's a great start, Jennifer.

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