Episode 191: Zefyr Lisowski

Gender Reveal

Tuck Woodstock

Society & Culture, Documentary, Personal Journals

4.7 • 1.3K Ratings

🗓️ 6 October 2025

⏱️ 59 minutes

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Summary

Tuck and Ozzy chat with writer Zefyr Lisowski (she/her). Topics include:

How horror helps us explore what we owe others in the wake of pain
Zefyr's delicate decision to do a ~gender reveal~ in Uncanny Valley Girls
Managing harm in t4t and crazy4crazy relationships
How the Great Dismal Swamp informs Zefyr's thoughts about race and class
Plus: Grave robbers, werewolves, Pisces poetics, and a musical based on The Ring.

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Senior Producer: Ozzy Llinas Goodman
Logo: Ira M. Leigh
Music: Breakmaster Cylinder
Additional music: Blue Dot Sessions
Sponsors: DeleteMe (code: TUCK20) and Max Burns UX (mention Rhubarb!)

Transcript

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0:00.0	Welcome to gender reveal, a podcast where we hopefully get a little bit closer to understanding what the hell gender is.
0:21.5	I'm your host and resident gender detective, Talk Woodstock.
0:33.6	Hey, everyone. I hope you've all been hanging in there.
0:36.3	Today on the show, I am very excited to share my and Ozzy's conversation with poet and writer Zephyr Lazowski. This week marks the release of Zephy's new book. It's called Uncanny Valley Girls Essays on Horror, Survival, and Love. And in this episode, Zephy and I talk all about the new book, including a lot about horror movies and a bit about survival
0:55.0	and love, honestly. We really got them all in there. We also talk about swamps, grave robbers,
1:00.6	crazy for crazy relationships, a musical based on The Ring, using an artist grant on FFS, and whether
1:06.6	dead girl is its own gender. I'm picturing like a gender reveal cake, but you open it and just like flies fly out.
1:13.6	But before we get to that, I am thrilled to announce the first three stops in the Sex Change
1:18.2	in the City book tour, which I have just decided to call Sex Change in Your City.
1:23.5	I will be in Chicago at Skunk Cabbage Books on Sunday, November 9th, speaking with
1:28.8	Gender Reveal alum Vera Blossom and Sex Change in the City contributor Sam Zabo.
1:33.1	On Monday, November 17th, I will be in Seattle at Elliott Bay Book Company, chatting with
1:38.8	gender reveal alum and Sex Change on the City contributor, Serena Hamas.
1:43.1	And that Thursday, November 20th, I will be in
1:45.5	Oakland at Local Economy, chatting with Gender Real alum Soley Ho. All three of those events require a free
1:54.3	RSVP, and hopefully by the time you're hearing this, the RSVP links will be live. So go to
1:59.6	Girl Dadpress.com slash tour and take a peek.
2:03.6	RSVP. Maybe there will even be more events announced by the time you're hearing this.
2:08.8	There will be an event in New York, by the way. We're hoping for November 13th or 14th.
2:13.2	That is a special collaborative event, so I'm not 100% in charge of that one and not 100%
2:18.5	sure what's going on. Also, just to note, Nico will not be at these events, unfortunately,
2:24.2	unless she falls into a big vat of money. We'll also be working on a Toronto event someday,
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