Welcome to gender reveal, a podcast where we hopefully get a little bit closer about understanding what the hell gender is.

I'm your host and president gender detective, tuck woodstock.

Hey everyone. I hope you've all been hanging in there. I'm sure that by now you know all about

gender conceal. Our other podcasts that we make exclusively for patrons. You can sign up for that

at patreon.com slash gender. Today on the show, I am very excited to share an excerpt of this

month's gender conceal episode, which features friend of the show and friend of mine, Cassius Adair.

You might know cast from the Sounds Gay podcast,

or from his academic work, or from his gender reveal interview, or from the time that he

tagged along with me to interview Justin McElroy on this podcast for some reason.

Cass has also been on gender conceal three times now, but this most recent episode is very

special because it is the first

time that we've ever recorded a podcast together in person, just so to chill in. So we spent the

first half of the episode answering questions that patrons had for Cass, and the second half

talking about parenting and podcasting and why everything is bad now.

In this excerpt that we're playing today, you will hear Cass talk about the state of trans

studies and the experience of being the only trans person in your program.

And then you'll hear us both talk about what we mean when we say that podcasting is over,

even though there are still technically so many podcasts.

If you like what you hear, you can go to patreon.com slash gender and sign up as a patron

and get instant access to every gender conceal episode we've ever made. And in that full

version of this episode, you will also hear juicier podcast gossip, as well as tips for making friends in Minnesota, and a question

from Cass's siblings for Cass. We also talk a lot about parenting, including talking about

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