Episode 188: Whit Washington
Gender Reveal
Tuck Woodstock
4.8 • 1.3K Ratings
🗓️ 21 July 2025
⏱️ 50 minutes
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Summary
Ozzy chats with Whit Washington (they/them), senior attorney for the Nonbinary & Transgender Rights Project at Lambda Legal. Topics include:
- Why the Skrmetti decision isn’t as broadly damaging as we might think
- Becoming a lawyer because you’re inspired by Kimberlé Crenshaw and also nervous about math :)
- The enormous impact of queer legal scholar Pauli Murray and trans jailhouse attorney Dee Farmer
- Can you use the law to abolish the law?
- Plus: Dazed and Confused, Nathaniel Bacon, and listener advice
This Week in Gender: Should you update your passport right now? (Plus, resources for sharing Know Your Rights info; finding someone arrested by ICE; combatting workplace ICE raids; adopting a day labor corner; helping immigrant rights orgs; and supporting immigrant communities.)
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Find Whit’s work on the Lambda Legal blog.
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to Gender Reveal, a podcast where we hopefully get a little bit closer about understanding what the hell gender is. |
| 0:21.5 | I'm your host and resident gender detective, Tuckwoodstock. |
| 0:33.7 | Hey, everyone. Hope you're all hanging in there. Before we start, something I should have mentioned last month. If you're new to the show, maybe you subscribe for the Allison Bechtel episode. I just want to let you know we have starter packs for new listeners where we sort out some of our favorite episodes by category so that it's easy for you to dive in based on interests. Those lists are at genderpodcast.com slash starter packs. Also, if you're |
| 0:56.1 | searching for something specific, you can also go to gender.lipson.com. That's l-I-bsy-N.com. |
| 1:02.3 | And you can just search the show notes of every episode really easily. I do this all the time. |
| 1:06.9 | Anyway, whether you are new here or not, you are hopefully familiar with producer Ozzy, an icon and a legend without whom gender reveal could not continue to exist. |
| 1:15.0 | Well, this week on the show, I am excited to share Ozzy's conversation with Witt, Washington. |
| 1:20.2 | Witt is the senior attorney for the Non-Binary and Transgender Rights Project at Lambda Legal. |
| 1:24.8 | In this episode, Ozzie and Witt talk about the recent Scrimetti decision by the Supreme Court, |
| 1:29.6 | which, of course, upheld Tennessee's ban on gender affirming care for minors. But is it as bad as it seems? |
| 1:36.1 | In terms of litigation and legal strategy, it was like probably the second best case scenario. |
| 1:42.2 | They also discuss Witt's work and experience with incarcerated trans people. |
| 1:46.0 | You want to meet the baddest bitches around. |
| 1:48.0 | You want to meet some of the smartest people you're ever fucking know. |
| 1:51.0 | Talk to trans folks in prison. |
| 1:53.0 | And they also explore how Witt became a lawyer while also being an abolitionist. |
| 1:58.0 | Into my early 20s, I was like, fuck lawyers, fuck the law. |
| 2:02.7 | This is bullshit. |
| 2:03.8 | I hate this. |
| 2:05.7 | But before we get to all that, I just wanted to let you know about this month's upcoming |
| 2:09.2 | gender conceal episode. |
| 2:10.9 | Gender conceal, of course you know this. |
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