Bonus: Sawyer K. Kemp
Gender Reveal
Tuck Woodstock
4.8 • 1.3K Ratings
🗓️ 30 June 2025
⏱️ 21 minutes
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Summary
Tuck chats with Sawyer K. Kemp about the news that Ian McKellan is involved in an all-trans staged reading of Twelfth Night. Topics include whether Twelfth Night is trans, what baseball and Shakespeare plays have in common, and what prison has to do with any of this.
Listen to the full episode on Patreon to hear discussions of West Virginia, trans cringe, 17th-century trans intra-community conflict, which Shakespearean role Shohei Ohtani would play, and whether acting is good or bad :)
Find Sawyer at sawyerkkemp.com and at Queens College.
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Music: Breakmaster Cylinder
Additional Music: Blue Dot Sessions
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to gender reveal, a podcast where we hopefully get a little bit closer to understanding what the hell gender is. |
| 0:21.5 | I'm your host and resident gender detective, tuckwood stuff. |
| 0:29.5 | Hey everyone. I hope you've all been hanging in there. Did you have a good Pride month? |
| 0:39.5 | Totally. So about a month ago, a bunch of articles popped up about an upcoming stage reading of a Shakespeare play. You may have seen these headlines. They said things like Sir Ian McKellen to open historic all trans and non-binary production of 12th night. And you may have thought, wait, is Siria McKellan trans trans, and I don't know, it doesn't make any sense. Anyway, I happen to know an expert in Shakespeare transgenderism. So for this month's gender conceal episode, I chatted with my friend and my queer fantasy baseball commissioner, Sawyer K. K. K. Kemp. |
| 1:12.0 | As you of course know, gender conceal is the monthly bonus podcast we make for patrons. |
| 1:16.6 | And today, as usual, we are sharing an excerpt from this month's episode. |
| 1:21.8 | So in today's bonus episode, you will hear Sawyer and I talk about what 12th night is all about, |
| 1:27.4 | whether the play is, |
| 1:28.8 | in fact, trans, controversial, and why everyone cares so much about Shakespeare in the first |
| 1:34.0 | place? And because I don't really care about Shakespeare, sorry, no offense, he's fine. Soyer |
| 1:39.7 | also helpfully gives me a whole list of ways that baseball and Shakespeare are similar. |
| 1:45.4 | If you enjoy this episode and would like to hear more, you can head to patreon.com slash gender |
| 1:49.5 | to sign up for gender conceal. |
| 1:51.4 | In the full episode, Soyer also talks about growing up in a West Virginia Cole family, |
| 1:56.4 | confusing people with their gender, which they describe as share in Elvis drag, |
| 2:02.6 | and researching 17th century queer and trans intra-community conflict. At the end, I also asked Sawyer more baseball questions, |
| 2:08.1 | such as which Shakespearean role Shohei Otani would play, which MLB player would play Hamlet, |
| 2:13.3 | and which Shakespearean play is going to win the World Series this year. But I'm getting ahead of myself, so for now, let's get to today's excerpt of my conversation |
| 2:21.4 | with Sawyer K. K. K. Kemp is an assistant professor of English at Queens College, |
| 2:29.4 | CUNY. They are currently working on a book about early modern trans studies, Shakespeare, |
| 2:33.7 | and the |
| 2:34.2 | industry of contemporary performance. |
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