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Last time, and Graham threw a picture, his little picture.

Oh, yeah.

It looks like a highland cattle.

Is that like a highland and a highland cattle, maybe for perhaps with the hair? Yeah, it's a highland beef. It's actually a painting of a cow by a local artist. Looks very nice. Nice. Well, Zach, we're going to just get go. I guess we're already recording. Cool. Great. If you don't mind, you know, Phil, as Scott had suggested, you know, as an interesting guest

and you've kind of been able to present some of the work.

I guess it would have been stuff that like Jack Cruz, you know, some of the other folks

with regard to light and deter him and some of the stuff and you

said you had a very nice way of presenting that and making accessible because some of these guys

tend to get off a little bit into tangents and they're somewhat hard to follow and so can you

give us a quick little this intro into your background real quick? Yeah, sure. I'm originally from the

UK. I'm, I think, exactly the same age as you are, Sean. I'm 52, soon to be 53. I was lucky

enough to go to a pretty decent school. I come from a pretty humble background,

but we haven't had a pretty decent school nearby. And I was educated kind of the old-fashioned

way in terms of scientific logic and rhetoric, those sort of things. And I almost went into

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