Hi, I'm Jonathan Lehman, and with me is the ever-helpful marked ever.

I think we should talk about paying pastors.

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where pastors talk about building healthy churches learn more at nine marks.org. You're right, Mark.

I do want to talk about paying pastors. Last time we talked about church staffing and kind of

when do you fire. Now the opposite side of that, like how much do you pay? How do you figure out how

much you pay? And you think about

Paul's epistle to Timothy. Remember when we used to talk about the Bible? That's where I'm going.

Here we go. Okay, listen, on the one, you got to strike a balance with Timothy, right? On the one hand,

in 1st Timothy 6, he tells the young pastor that the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil. And that's through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced

themselves with many payings.

Or you think about chapter three where not a lover of money is a requirement for an elder,

what an elder must be.

But on the other hand, at the same time, we have chapter five, right?

Where he tells the church not to muzzle the ox and that the worker deserves

his wages. So, pastors know they're not supposed to be greedy, but they also know that churches

ought to provide for them. And all of this, to be honest, reminds me a little bit of Pink Floyd.

Money, so they say, is the root of all evil today. But if you ask her a raise, it's no surprise. They're giving none away.

So that's what I want to think about. And to help us, we have our friend, Jamie Dunlop.

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