Hi everyone, welcome to Add Home with Sally. I'm Sally Clarkson and I have the biggest

privilege in the world to be with so many friends from all over the world who join me every

week to listen to my stories, inspiration, biblical encouragement and I am just so glad

that you're here today. Thanks so much for joining me.

Hi everyone, it's Sally Clarkson and as you know we have been having so much fun this week,

Clay and I. Clay is here with me. And we're having so much fun interviewing different parents,

different ages of kids and today is one of our favorite recordings because it's with very good

friends of ours. Holly and Glenn Packingham. Hi you guys. Hi. Hello. So much. We're so glad to have

there such dear friends of ours, long time friends and I'll just introduce Glenn. He is the

associate senior pastor of his little neighborhood church called New Life Church in Colorado Springs.

I think it started out that way. It's a little bigger than a neighborhood church now, but it's

it's huge. Yeah, it's quite big. And how many people are there, Neil? Glenn? Well, in weekly attendance,

there's a few, you know, there's a few different congregations. So all in all about 10,000 or so.

Yeah, that's amazing. And Glenn is also the pastor of the New Life Downtown campus, which is a

wonderful group of people. And he's gearing up to be a newly hooded PhD. So we're looking forward to

that this summer. Yeah, congratulations. Thank you. You're pastoring, writing, raising godly kids

and traveling all over the world. We're pretty amazed at how God's using you. And Holly has been one

of my friends forever. It seems like it's about, I don't know, 10 or 12 or 14 years ago. Holly came

and said, Sally, what's your mentor, a group of moms that worked together at New Life Church. And so

I did and we became friends. And so many of you know, Holly has the story formed voice on our, on my

blog. And Holly herself had a master's in counseling. And she's leading a lot of the parenting

groups at their church downtown New Life. And we work together in so many different ways. And I

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