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🗓️ 4 November 2025
⏱️ 60 minutes
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Christian researcher, sociologist and Hamilton actress Ashley LaLonde joins The RELEVANT Podcast to unpack new data revealing why more Gen Z women are walking away from church. She explains how purity culture, politics and the lack of space for single or career-focused women are reshaping faith for a generation. It's a must-listen conversation! Plus, we have RELEVANT Buzz and Slices
1:00 – The Crew Debates Big Napkin: Jesse exposes the “decorative napkin industrial complex.”
6:30 – The Dollar Tree Uprising: The cast demands rebranding to “$1.25 Tree.”
8:00 – Smooth Pivot Attempt: Cameron tries to move from napkins to faith and culture.
9:00 – RELEVANT Buzz: This week’s headlines at the intersection of faith and culture
9:15 – Frankie Muniz Finds God: The Malcolm in the Middle star’s surprising faith story
12:00 – Christian Music Chart Update: Josiah Queen, Phil Wickham, and the rise of worship on Billboard’s Hot 100
15:45 – Hip-Hop’s Chart Collapse: No rap songs in the Top 40 for the first time in 35 years
16:00 – Derek’s Deep Dive: Why hip-hop lost its cultural soul — from gatekeepers to gentrification
25:00 – Special Guest: Ashley LaLonde (Barna Group / Hamilton) joins to talk about the new Barna study on Gen Z women and faith
26:45 – Why Gen Z Women Are Leaving the Church: Ashley explains the data — 38% now religiously unaffiliated
27:30 – The Purity Culture Fallout: How sexual shame and rigid gender roles alienated a generation
28:10 – Politics and the Pulpit: How Christian nationalism and partisanship push women away
29:20 – The Marriage Idol: Are churches overvaluing family and under-serving single women?
30:45 – Solidarity and Inclusion: Why many young women leave in support of LGBTQ friends
31:50 – Social Capital Shift: Why church is still “advantageous” for men but costly for women socially
32:40 – A New Kind of Spiritual Hunger: How disengaged women are still deeply curious about faith
34:10 – The Marriage Question: How this trend could reshape Christian dating and marriage rates
35:00 – Ashley’s Challenge to the Church: How to re-engage single women and rethink discipleship
36:10 – The Urban Divide: Are cities different from suburbs? Ashley offers insight
38:00 – The Fallout of Scandal: How church abuse crises have eroded trust among women
39:15 – Reckoning with Failure: Ashley calls the Church to repent for how it’s treated women
40:00 – Ashley’s Story: From Harvard to Hamilton to Barna Group — how faith shaped her calling
42:45 – Perseverance and Purpose: Six years of rejection before booking Hamilton
43:40 – From Broadway to Research: How she now combines creativity, sociology and ministry
44:30 – The cast reacts — “That was the most insightful segment we’ve ever done.”
45:00 – SLICES:
• Jesse’s “Aggressive Research Monkeys on the Loose” story
• Derek’s real-life 'Suits' case — the fake lawyer who won 26 cases
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| 0:00.0 | It's episode 1274, 1,274 of these things. |
| 0:10.5 | And it's the relevant podcast here in Orlando. |
| 0:13.1 | I'm your host to Cameron Strang and joining me from Loverland, Virginia. |
| 0:16.0 | It's Jesse Kerry. |
| 0:17.1 | Hello, hello. |
| 0:18.1 | From Nashville, artist, producer, Mogul. |
| 0:20.4 | Derek Minor. What up, though? And today from Houston. Hello, hello. From Nashville artist, producer, Mogul. It's Eric Miner. |
| 0:21.6 | What up, though. |
| 0:22.7 | And today from Houston in her friend's spare bedroom, our managing editor downtown Emily Brown. |
| 0:29.3 | Hey, y'all. |
| 0:30.9 | Why are you in Houston? |
| 0:32.5 | Every year, my friends host in Octoberfest, and this weekend was the best weekend for all of us to get together. |
| 0:38.8 | So I'm in town for that. |
| 0:40.4 | And mostly to meet my friend's new baby that she just had a couple weeks ago. |
| 0:44.8 | There's a couple. |
| 0:45.7 | There's a few weeks. |
| 0:46.2 | New Friends Baby. |
| 0:48.0 | This is the third October Fest in the row that I have met a friend's new baby. |
| 0:53.3 | So it's kind of like become a tradition. |
| 0:56.0 | Next year it'll be you. |
| 0:58.6 | No, I rebuke |
| 0:59.9 | that in Jesus name. |
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