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The RELEVANT Podcast

Episode 1275: Kings Kaleidoscope's Chad Gardner Joins the Show!

The RELEVANT Podcast

RELEVANT Magazine

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4.62.9K Ratings

🗓️ 11 November 2025

⏱️ 60 minutes

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Summary

This week, Kings Kaleidoscope’s Chad Gardner joins us to talk about the band’s new album, “Asaph's Arrows II,” a return to their roots reimagining classic hymns. He opens up about creative integrity, the lessons of Mars Hill, and how the band’s journey has reshaped his view of worship and art. Plus, the cast tackles haircut horror stories, the SNAP funding freeze, Mike Todd’s viral Breakfast Club interview and this year’s weirdest scientific discoveries.

Highlights:

1:00 – Intros

10:45 – The Great Hair Debate: Who has the courage to stop a bad haircut in progress?

11:00 – RELEVANT Buzz: This week’s headlines at the intersection of faith and culture

11:15 – SNAP Funding Freeze: 42 million Americans face a food crisis — what Christians can actually do to help

12:15 – Church vs. State: Who’s really responsible for feeding the hungry?

17:30 – Mike Todd on The Breakfast Club: Why he went viral (again)

25:20 – Special Guest: Kings Kaleidoscope’s Chad Gardner joins to talk about the band’s new album, “Asaph’s Arrows II”

26:00 – Back to the Beginning: Why Kings is remaking hymns after a decade of experimentation

30:10 – “The rose that grew from concrete”: How Mars Hill shaped Kings Kaleidoscope’s DNA

36:15 – The Future of Kings Kaleidoscope: How Kings might return to leading church worship

42:00 – SLICES:

• Jesse’s “Ig Nobel Awards” — scientists prove drunk bats fly worse and cows painted like zebras get fewer fly bites

• Marty’s Vintage Gaming Corner — a Russian Sims 2 love story gone terribly wrong

52:46 — Marty tells us about his exciting new project



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0:00.0

This episode 1275, it's a relevant podcast here in Orlando.

0:09.3

I'm your host, Cameron String.

0:10.4

Joining me from Loverland, Virginia.

0:12.1

It's Jesse Carey.

0:13.2

Hello, lo.

0:14.0

From Nashville, our managing editor, downtown, Emily Brown.

0:18.5

Hey, y'all.

0:19.4

And they're in L.A.

0:20.2

You know it from Social Club Misfits. It's Marty. We made it, guys. We're here. We did make it. Marty, you've only been on one video podcast, so we're glad to see you. It's going to be back. I think, Marty, or Jesse didn't get the memo that we were wearing hats today. Jesse, you more than anybody need a hat today. I desperately need a hat. I know. She never seen you with that a hat. Every time I look on Zoom, I'm like, I really need a haircut. And I think, I don't know about you guys, I just don't like the process of getting haircuts for a number of reasons. It's very disruptive to my schedule. What? I'm a free-flowing guy. I don't like appointments, you know? I feel pinned down. I feel pinned down with appointments, you know? That's your son. Where do you go get a haircut also? Because that's a question. I don't know. Where does a white guy get a haircut i know it sounds weird to say but i have

1:11.5

no idea yeah like yeah well i'm glad you brought that up marty because there's a number of

1:18.4

options for us we're we you know people with this self-hair built around accommodating white men

1:23.9

yeah yeah i just don't know i've i've only been to domin to Dominican or Puerto Rican barbershops. I've really, I really have, I don't even know my dad gets haircut. So, yeah, help us out. Well, I'll just say this, like, there are, like, the strip mall options, which are often convenient these days. But then you can go to, like, the barbershops, which are fun and chatty. But you know, my thing is like you just never know how long of a commitment you're in for a lot of times. And that's my main thing is like. If you have an appointment, you're in and out. Like, you know exactly how long it's going to take. But here's the other thing, too. I don't like the bib situation. I get very hot in there. Like, I feel like they need to be better ventilated. Sometimes I get sweaty and I'm like, it just unpleasant. Where are you going? Where are you going? They are thin, sheer fabric that barely weigh anything. It's like the dentist when you go to the like weighted blanket to get like an x-ray.

2:34.4

That's what you wears when you get to haircut. Also, sorry, are they not only like 20 minutes for a guy's hair cut? Exactly. All of the reasons, I think you have got. Excruciating 20 minutes. Excruciate. No, I've been getting any haircuts my whole life. Minimum, like I think the shortest haircut I've ever gotten. I was still in the chair for an hour.

2:35.5

Yeah.

2:36.4

So.

2:37.4

Mine's an hour.

2:34.4

It's very... Minimum, like, I think the shortest haircut I've ever gotten. I was still in the chair for an hour.

2:35.5

Yeah. So. So it's very unpleasant. It's very unpleasant. I don't go to Supercuts. I go to, like, the fancy places. I have gone to the fans. The head massages and stuff. The salon. I've gone to all of them. I run into the same problem at each, which is, like I said, obviously you get, on my off time, I don't like to have anything scheduled. I'm liquid, okay? I like to go with the wind. All right, I get a text like, hey, you want to go to this? Yeah, man, let's do it. I got nothing booked. When I got something booked, it hangs over my head all day. It's like, well, it's right in the middle of the day.

3:08.5

I got a two o'clock air appointment,

3:09.8

so my whole day's all jammed up.

3:11.9

That's my thing.

3:13.3

I know.

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