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No worries.

Good to see you again, Sean.

Yeah, George.

It's nice to see you.

Zach, we're recording now.

Yeah, Zach, I got to meet George at the recent... Carnivore convention we had Carnivry kind of Amber put on, and I'd seen one of his presentations. Oh, probably about a year ago, I watched a video that you did, I think it was at Ancestral Health and talking about plant evolution. And your background, if I'm out in a second, you do kind of plant

evolutionary biology. Is that more or less? Or what is the exact title? Yes, I am a plant

evolutionary biologist. So early in my career, I spent a lot of time in the tropics, central and

South America, looking for new species of plants and studying plant evolution, doing field work.

And then in more recent years, I've done a lot of research on Texas plants and been some writing on that.

And then shifting over into evolution and human health, kind of with the plant link there, because of all the plant toxins.

I'm particularly interested in plant toxins, plant chemical defense.

Yeah, George, let me, because I'm just remember I took a botany class in college, and that's about it for me.

I mean, we were learning about the monocots and the diacots and the monocots were older and stuff

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