Welcome to At Last She Said It. A podcast where Women of Faith come together to acknowledge that it's complicated and support each other while we figure it out.

Hello and welcome to today's podcast.

I am your host Cynthia Wynward and I'm here with my good friend Susan

Hinkley how are you Susan I'm just great Cynthia how are you I'm fine I'm

excited about our topic today and the title of our show is We Don't Believe Our Own Stuff.

Yeah, tell me a little bit about what that's about because it seems like we've said that a lot to each other.

We have. We have said that a lot to each other. We have we have said that a lot to each other. I feel like

you and I have a lot of different conversations about gospel topics and we kind of

get riled up and and we say to each other, oh my gosh we don't even believe our own stuff in other

words I feel like we have such beautiful theology I feel like it's very inclusive it's very hope filled and yet Susan there's kind of

sometimes this space I feel like between this beautiful restored gospel that you and I share together and then we talk with

our friends or we're at church and we just hear a whole lot of angst from people about so many different topics within the church

where I'm like, wait a minute, are we in the same church here? Are we looking at this just

in two different ways? And one of the ways, because there are many ways,

but the one of the ways that you and I

wanted to explore it on this about,

we don't believe our own stuff,

is when it comes to our children who choose a different path outside of the church.

I feel like we talk about sad heaven, you know, the idea that we're going to be sad in heaven because our kids won't be about

empty chairs, you know, the idea that we're gonna be sad in heaven because our kids won't be with us.

Or we talk about empty chairs.

Empty chairs, yes, empty chairs in heaven.

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