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Inner Cosmos with David Eagleman

Ep156 What Do We Learn About AI by Dancing with Robots? with Catie Cuan

Inner Cosmos with David Eagleman

iHeartPodcasts

Health & Fitness, Education, Science, Self-improvement, Mental Health

4.7620 Ratings

🗓️ 1 June 2026

⏱️ 73 minutes

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Summary

Why do we read so much into how a robot moves, and what does that tell us about human brains? Why did our history make us so sensitive to movement? Why do we trust graceful motion? Should we make a robot 'look' at an object it’s about to pick up, even if it doesn’t need to? Is movement the original form of animal intelligence? Join Eagleman with guest Catie Cuan, a roboticist, dancer, and choreographer. Catie’s an expert on the strange social interface between humans and machines, and she’s gotten there by dancing with robots.

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0:00.0

Why does the way that a robot moves change how we feel about it?

0:04.2

And what does that tell us about human brains?

0:07.3

For example, should we program a robot to look at an object

0:11.5

that it's about to pick up,

0:13.0

even if it doesn't need to look because it has cameras all around?

0:16.5

Why did our evolutionary history make us so sensitive to movement?

0:20.6

Why do we read so much into it?

0:22.6

Why do we trust graceful motion?

0:25.6

Is movement the original form of animal intelligence?

0:29.6

Today we're joined by Dr. Katie Kwan, a roboticist, and a professional dancer and choreographer.

0:36.6

Katie is an expert on this strange social interface between robots and humans,

0:42.7

and she's gotten there by dancing with robots.

0:49.1

Welcome to Inner Cosmos.

0:50.7

With me, David Eagleman, I'm a neuroscientist at Stanford,

0:53.6

and in these episodes,

0:54.6

we sailed deeply into our three-pound universe to understand why and how our lives look the way

1:01.2

they do.

1:15.0

This is an I-Heart podcast.

1:17.0

Guaranteed human.

1:25.2

Here's something that happens all the time in modern life, and most of us barely notice it anymore.

1:29.1

You walk into a grocery store and the automatic door slides open before you touch it. If you live in a big city,

1:34.0

little delivery robots roll past you on the sidewalk. If you have a modern car, the steering wheel

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