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Inner Cosmos with David Eagleman

Ep155 "Why Can’t Some People Stop Thinking Certain Thoughts?" with Jon Hershfield

Inner Cosmos with David Eagleman

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Health & Fitness, Education, Science, Self-improvement, Mental Health

4.7620 Ratings

🗓️ 25 May 2026

⏱️ 62 minutes

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Summary

Why do brains generate strange thoughts sometimes? And why do some brains refuse to let go of those thoughts? Today we'll talk about Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD) with expert Jon Hershfield, getting a view from the inside and the outside. Why do some people lock the door but go back repeatedly to check it, and still have a feeling of uncertainty that it’s locked? Why do some people wash their hands over and over and never feel that they reach a point when it’s “done”. How, for some people, are intrusive thoughts like junkmail that the brain just cant help opening? We’ll see how obsessive thoughts can get caught in loops, and how those loops might therapeutically be broken.

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0:00.0

Why do brains generate weird thoughts sometimes?

0:04.0

And why do some brains refuse to let go of those thoughts, but ruminate on them?

0:10.0

Today we're going to talk about obsessive-compulsive disorder, OCD.

0:14.0

Why do some people lock the door, but go back to check it over and over

0:19.0

and still have a feeling of uncertainty about

0:21.8

whether it is locked. Why do some people wash their hands over and over and never feel that

0:28.3

they reach a point when it's done? What happens when doubt becomes a full-time occupation?

0:35.8

How, for some people, are intrusive thoughts like junk mail,

0:40.4

that the brain just can't help opening. Today we talk with OCD expert John Herschfield,

0:46.1

where we'll get a view from the inside and the outside. We'll see how obsessive thoughts can get

0:52.0

caught in loops and how those loops might get broken. This is the

0:57.2

fourth episode for Mental Health Awareness Month, and you'll want to listen if you have OCD,

1:01.8

and even if you don't, because it's prevalent enough in our society that you almost certainly

1:07.3

have people in your life who suffer from these internal loops.

1:14.1

Welcome to Inner Cosmos with me, David Eagleman.

1:16.9

I'm a neuroscientist at Stanford, and in these episodes, we sail deeply into our

1:21.3

three-pound universe to understand why and how our lives look the way they do.

1:37.7

Music why and how our lives look the way they do. This is an I-Heart podcast,

1:40.8

Guaranteed Human.

1:46.0

Let's start with Sigmund Freud's proposed concept of a death drive.

1:51.4

So he imagines you're standing at the edge of a cliff

1:54.4

and this intrusive thought that you keep having of stepping off the cliff into the void.

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