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Inner Cosmos with David Eagleman

Ep153 Can You Unlearn Anxiety? with Judson Brewer

Inner Cosmos with David Eagleman

iHeartPodcasts

Health & Fitness, Education, Science, Self-improvement, Mental Health

4.7620 Ratings

🗓️ 11 May 2026

⏱️ 59 minutes

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Summary

Week 2 of Mental Health Awareness month: Anxiety is close to everyone’s experience, either because you've had it or someone close to you has. Does your brain accidentally teach itself to stay anxious by looping on the same fears? Is anxiety helping you perform better, or does it make everything harder? Is it possible to unlearn worry the same way you learned it? Join Eagleman with Dr. Jud Brewer, who suffered with anxiety as a young man... and then became a psychiatrist and neuroscientist who studies anxiety and developed a very different approach to its treatment.

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0:00.0

Today, for Mental Health Awareness Month, we're going to talk about anxiety.

0:04.9

This is something close to everybody's experience, either because they've had it themselves

0:09.6

or someone close to them has had it.

0:12.4

So today we're going to ask several questions.

0:14.9

Does your brain accidentally teach itself to stay anxious by looping on the same fears?

0:22.5

Is anxiety helping you perform better or making everything harder?

0:27.9

What happens when you stop running from anxiety and look straight at it?

0:32.2

Is it possible to unlearn worry the same way that you learned it?

0:37.8

What if curiosity is stronger than fear?

0:41.9

Today we're going to talk with Dr. Judd Brewer,

0:44.7

who suffered with anxiety as a young man

0:46.8

and then became a psychiatrist and a neuroscientist,

0:50.2

and he studied anxiety his whole career,

0:52.9

and he has a very different take on what can be done about it.

1:00.1

Welcome to Inner Cosmos with me, David Eagleman.

1:02.9

I'm a neuroscientist and an author at Stanford,

1:05.6

and in these episodes, we sail deeply into our three-pound universe

1:09.5

to understand why and how our lives look the way they do. This is an I-Heart podcast.

1:30.0

Guaranteed human.

1:37.7

What does it mean to feel anxious?

1:40.9

This is one of those experiences that most people know somehow.

1:45.7

But if you're asked to define it, it kind of slips through your fingers. So most people will grab for words like fear and

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