Hello and welcome to the Bikes or Death podcast.

My name is Patrick and I'm your host.

This is the podcast that talks about bikepacking, adventuring, and the cool people who participate.

On today's episode, I sat down with Chuck Campbell, who if you've never heard of them, that's probably okay because I hadn't either.

He's been flying under the radar for the last few years or the last couple of years

developing a new bike packing route in the state of Arkansas.

And if you've been listening to the episode, you've probably heard me mention it a few times

and bring it up when I'm talking to guest and I definitely spread

some misinformation but luckily we got Chuck here to clear up all my mistakes so this was a

pretty cool meeting too for me because it was the first time that a listener put me in

contact with a future guest so I don't remember his name.

Wait, I should have that. I know his Instagram. Here we go. M. Bailey 18, Michael Bailey.

So it's M. B-A-I-L-E-18 on Instagram.

So thanks, Michael.

He got me in contact with Chuck,

and I met Chuck at a little bar there in Fayetteville.

So, yeah, it's cool.

I've been personally, like, really looking forward to this route. So being able to sit down and talk to the man one on one was a fun and fun experience also like really informative. You know, I've never talked to anybody who has developed a really large route like that and kind of figuring out how you go about doing

that. I think it's great information and hopefully other people will take it and and use that to

develop even more routes. More routes, more routes, Mo Beta, right? All right. So you knew it would

happen eventually. And I'm happy to announce that the Bikes for Death podcast

now has its first sponsor. So now the podcast is brought to you by Mother Nature. In Mother

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