Hello and happy Memorial Day, everybody.

This is the Bikes for Death podcast.

My name is Patrick, and I'm your host. This is the podcast that talks about bikepacking, adventuring, and the cool people who participate. Got a special guest for y'all today. Lael Wilcox is on the show. She and I just happened to be in Northwest Arkansas at the exact same time. I was up there on a family vacation and she was there for work and I saw on Instagram that she was in the area. I sent her a

message on Instagram and she was gracious enough to say yes and in short order we were sitting

down at a table and having an interview. I'm still kind of in shock that it happened. Whenever I started the podcast,

my ultimate, you know, dream or goal was to one day be able to interview her. And so being able to

interview her at episode 10 is crazy. It's awesome. You know, the truth is I probably would have

been happy to interview her at podcast number 100 whenever I'd gotten better at interviewing

and all that. But, you know, it doesn't matter. Like I had the opportunity and I took it and it was great.

And so like whenever is editing this episode, I thought about like editing down and making it super polished.

But the truth of it is is that I'm still learning how to be a podcaster and I'm trying to get better.

And I don't I don't mind, I guess, kind of taking you all along the journey and kind of seeing some of the stupid things that I say or whatever, you know.

So I kind of left the audio raw and that's kind of my style in general, but I am actively working at getting better.

Yeah, I appreciate all the comments and the critiques that I get.

You can always reach out to me

either on Instagram or just send me an email, Bikes at Bikesordeth.com. And I love to hear from y'all.

And any suggestions you have on ways I can prove the show, I'm all ears. I want to get better.

So for this episode, like I said, I left it kind of raw. I wanted to,

I think part of it just like showed her personality and how like down to earth she was. And so like

the podcast actually starts. We were just talking as I was getting the equipment set up and I hit

record and that's that's the

moment that this interview will start and so we're kind of halfway through a conversation but

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