That's something that's always fascinated me a lot about the influence that the environment has on life.

The influence that the environment has on life, on life.

It's not just this mechanical nature of the universe that causes life to happen,

but that it's this process, this interaction between environment and the organism.

Interaction between environment and the organism.

Before we dive too far into that, though, I was wondering if you wanted to have a little meta discussion about podcasting.

Sure.

Yeah, so here we are, 2022.

The world of X-Mormon and Mormon podcasting has kind of changed quite a lot in some ways,

and in some ways it's been the same since when you got started in 2010 or around the time.

About that time, yeah.

Yeah, so, you know, back in the early 2010s, you know, the influence on thrones,

you used to say that it was this place where people would come to kind of the Mormon podcasting world,

and they might come to it through like Mormon stories and have like this,

like learning phase or something, and then this angry phase where they would listen to like Mormon expression,

and then this like phase where they're at peace with like Mormonism when they come land on like infants on thrones.

You kind of see infants on thrones these days as that same like landing spot.

This is infants on thrones, baby steps, who are sought to preach to you.

The philosophies of men, mingled with humor,

I don't believe them, but we many willing to preach to you the philosophies of men, mingled with humor.

We are evolving.

Baby steps.

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