So, I told this to Sarah, and she's like, no, no, please no.

We just escaped the religion, we just escaped the religion, please no, no.

But then we're talking through, okay, what could good religion be that, you know, doesn't

just suck the spirituality and autonomy out of people, but allows her worship.

What could good religion be?

So, when I'm using mushrooms, psychedelics, I enter this mystical state of consciousness

that I call the sanctum sanctum, the Holy of Holies.

And I believe this is where the divine exists.

Holy Holies.

sanctum sanctum.

Enter that space and really become one with the universe, receive these tremendous insights

into myself, the world around me, a lot of healing.

This is as profound an experience as anyone walking the earth has ever had.

So much more profound.

So much more profound.

You know, spiritually speaking.

It's really making me pause.

I spent a lifetime in a religion, you know, doing all of the things that that religion dictates.

I've never, never in that context have I had experiences remotely approaching this.

This is so much more profound.

So much more profound.

So much more profound.

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