Guys, you're going to love this episode. It's so detailed, so good. Scott details the three biggest things that he thinks helped Ruth and Tom win UTNB this year. He also outlines how he's transformed the sport, like why they came to as a coach and what was the element that was missing from ultra running that

he was seeing and his experience in cross-country skiing and other endurance sports that he's

changed that has really helped with their training and he also says why tom is a freak

that's all to come on the episode. Take it away, guys.

They're bad, their boys, and occasionally they talk about running.

Yes, it's the Bad Boy Running podcast with your host, Jody Rainsford, and David Heller. Come back.

Baby, come back. But a bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye bye bye bye i must admit i was a clown to be messing around

but that doesn't mean that you have to leave town come back you would have been watching

utmb last or two weeks ago three weeks ago weeks ago, by the time this comes out.

But you may or may not have been watching thinking, I wonder who coaches not just one of these winners, but both of these winners.

But our next guest happens to be, he's done two for two.

Pretty good.

I mean, what a night.

I wanted to get him on to understand his

background how he got into culture into coaching and and also any advice that he thinks is

applicable to to ultra running in general so welcome to podcast the wonderful scott johnson

yay thanks david it's a real pleasure to be here. Yeah, I've looked a little bit at your

podcasts and talked to some friends that have been on it and I'm looking forward to having fun with you.

Yeah, well, hopefully. Sometimes it's less fun, more serious, a bit of the mix. But what were you doing?

Where were you during EGM, a heavily bit of the mix. But what were you doing? Where were you during UTMV?

I was in the car for most of it.

Yeah, except for when I was standing around waiting for athletes.

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