Omar.

Hi.

You did such a good job being hosted.

Yes.

First time.

First time and I hope I get invited back again because I had a tremendous time and I understand

Eric why guests love being on Iron Culture.

Well, I'm honored that you wanted to be on your own podcast with my podcast as well. Yeah. But no, this is a really cool

episode. This was something I think we talked about probably last year, the first time I brought up

the idea of getting some of the quote unquote good people in the, in the fit in the supplement

industry on the podcast. Because I think for anyone who's been involved, especially in the

bodybuilding community, they've seen, they've accepted a certain level of, I'm just going to say

ridiculousness with a supplement company, promises that are obviously false, poor quality stuff.

You know, you see headlines about painted supplements or things happening in terms of manufacturing

quality or even sometimes health scandals.

And you just kind of brush it off because you expect that coming out of certain sectors

of the supplement industry.

And I think fortunately through the work that our guests on this podcast and others have done,

that is changing.

And something you brought up was the knowledge asymmetry between the consumer and the holder

of the keys and the people who would use science as marketing.

We've talked about that a lot.

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