Welcome to Second in Command, brought to you by COO Alliance, where top-level

COOs share their insights, tactics, and strategies that made them the chief behind the chief. And now, here and now here's your host, Cameron Herald.

Kaming Lonnie is with us.

Kaming Lonnie is with us today on the second in command podcast and Kay is the co-founder of Mind Valley.

He's also a serial entrepreneur and an experienced CEO who has demonstrated track record of starting and

running multi-million dollar companies in IT, SAS, educational technology in

the learning space. He's extremely skilled in strategy, negotiation, fundraising, growth hacking, and marketing strategy.

I would also call him a level five leader who is kind of behind the scenes and focused on the internal operations,

where he has a co-founder and

CEO of a company that we've all heard of that is kind of very outward facing in the

face of the brand. So, okay, welcome to the Second Amendment podcast.

Thanks, Kevin, thanks for having me over.

Everybody calls me Kay.

My real name is Shittage.

That's what happens when you have Indian parents,

but everybody calls me Kay and that's perfect.

All right, so I'll call you Kay I that's that's perfect.

All right so I'll call you Kay I'll try to show it as well but I think I'll stick with Kay.

It's going to be easier for me.

So Kaye how did tell it first off I mean I've heard of Mind Valley and I'm sure a lot of our

listeners have heard of it as well but just tell us what Mind Valley is and how you've

kind of branched off and grown over the years I know that you're based right now in

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