Hello and welcome to Happier, a podcast that gives you strategies for how to build

happier habits into your daily life.

This week we'll talk about finding an area of refuge and about the downside of birthdays.

I'm Gretchen Ruben, a writer whose studies happiness could have its human nature.

I'm a New York City and with me is my special guest host, my just turned 17 year old daughter,

Eliza.

That's me Eliza Ruben and I'm a high school junior living here with you in fact in our library

in New York City.

Yes, we are in our library.

Panoply is moving and it's a Sunday because we have to record this before Eliza leaves

for her lacrosse spring training trip.

And so Henry slept out here on a Sunday to our library and so we're doing it's sort of

like everything's topsy-turvy.

Elizabeth is shooting her pilot so she can't be here today so that's why I get to have

you as my guest host.

Yeah, Elizabeth, that's me.

I'm going to keep calling Elizabeth the whole time.

And Eliza, this is like old hat to you because you have your own podcast now.

I do in fact, which is also recorded in this very adjacent room to this one.

Right, so you feel very at home.

I know, I'm very at home.

We're recording.

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