This is infants on thrones.

The philosophies of men beingled with humans.

We are the core.

Welcome back to another episode of Infants on Thrones. My name is Tom Perry. So as many of you know, I've been on a lot of group conversations, podcast episodes that range from being extremely funny and entertaining

to being serious, educational, and everywhere in between.

Today's episode is unprecedented for me. This one was extremely difficult.

Being there and then putting it together for the audience to listen to.

It wasn't fun.

It was emotionally charged.

So I want to spend a few minutes just as a disclaimer for those that are going to listen to this episode

that we're going to be talking about suicide and suicide that's really close to home.

I'm going to be talking to Jordan and Katie, formerly of the unequally of the

unequally of the unequally yoked podcast who went as Neil and Naomi Winters,

because they lost their teenage daughter to suicide

back in October of 2017.

Now I didn't really want to have this conversation.

We actually postponed it several months.

I was worried for Jordan and Katie's emotional well-being in

order to have this conversation. I felt like that so many emotions were so raw and frankly they still were, but that's completely understandable.

There's a couple of reasons why I finally kind of came around to having this conversation and thinking it might be a good idea.

First and foremost, I thought that it would be an incredible step forward for Jordan and Katie to talk

about it, use this as sort of a therapeutic conversation to get some things off their chest.

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