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Hey, this is Alexis Haines and welcome to Recovering from Reality,

where I illuminate the messy and magical path of coming home to yourself.

Whether you're on the road to recovery, seeking self-care techniques for surviving the

capitalist machine, or just need a moment to remember that you're not alone in your loneliness,

we're serving up the ultimate truth. Your challenges don't define you, how you deal with them does.

So are you ready to recover from reality?

You said if you can go back in time knowing everything you know now and he was

I wouldn't change. Well, in that episode I think I asked him that specifically too, like how

is it that we both sat in that room heard the exact same thing? I had no more vested interest in

it being him versus anybody. I just wanted it to be somebody. You want to adjust it?

I want, yeah. And so I didn't care if it was him or the guy on the corner. I just,

but it wasn't the guy on the corner because every single piece of evidence pointed to him.

And so how could the two of us sit in there and see it pull our opposite? I mean,

we didn't come connected on anything. Like, you know, someone said to me once that, you know,

just because a man hits his wife doesn't mean he could kill her. I'm like, what?

You didn't like who told you that and where did that come from? And that became your logic to how

all of the threats against Nicole weren't viable. She brought a diary. She had notes. She left a trail

in a safety deposit box. If you find me dead one day, it's him. Like, what?

25 years ago, Kim Goldman lost her beloved brother, Ron, to a brutal murder in Bretwood,

California. As if that wasn't challenging enough, what would transpire was a very, very public

court case where O. J. Simpson was the defendant. She's coming on the podcast today to talk about

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